Sometimes it makes you wonder if they have EVER read/learned anything from Jesus! If you think that anything other than what your church teaches about salvation is easy believism, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Wow. Why wouldnt I stand up for something I believe in? That can get a little hairy, though, because you never know when youll end up at a more liberal churchlike yours! Hypocrites! I dont believe they bought our loyalty, because we werent of any good investment. Cleveland Baptist Church - Cleveland, OH - Pastor Kevin Folger ; Community Baptist For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: I can forgive people for offenses committed against me. It seems most on here have a issue with IFB churches. ALL sins are forgivable, even homosexuality although it is a detestable sin in Gods eyes. If you believe that someone who smokes, drinks, parties, dances, listens to secular music, listens to Christian contemporary music, etc. 43. Im sad to here that fellow Christians cant get along, and I will start praying for all Churchs to be revived. What your pastor told you is a severe twisting of scripture (if he even used scripture). I disclosed to (2) pastors at this church personal and heart felt feelings that I thought and grew up and was told you can talk to your pastor, because he is a man of God. We believe that the souls of the redeemed are, at death, absent from the body and present with the Lord, where in conscious bliss they await the first resurrection, when spirit, soul, and body are reunited to be glorified forever with the Lord (Luke 23:43; Revelation 20:4-6; II Corinthians 5:8; Philippians 1:23, 3:21; I Thessalonians 4:16-17). N/A 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. Praise the lord for forgiveness. The preachers who I knew as a teenager all had real degrees in theology from acredited universities. If you believe that clapping after special music is wrong because it gives praise to the performer rather than to God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 16. If you think that more than one earring per ear for women is worldly, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 13. No, its only announced in the powers points as a time and place. However, some (I agree Ogrodnik) are unfair and judgmental. Yes, we have a tract rack. WebBaptists reject the notion of baptism of people who do not know what is happening to them, such as children. Baptists are traditionally strong believers in Biblical authority. 54. They have distinct responsibilities and operations. Smoking, drinking, partying, dancing, listening to secular music or Contemporary music arent sinful though partying can only be sinful if you are drunk. A IFB member knocked on my door one Saturday and invited us to church. Its a Biblical principle that we are commanded to follow. I truly believe the IFB pastor and wife was just doing their job. Same position regarding IFB belief 29. The Baptist distinctives are listed below: The Bible is our sole authority for faith and practice. First wash the inside of the cup and the dish,[i] and then the outside will become clean, too. It took exposure to more mature Christians (who were not not IFB!) Its my calling and my ministry. I do not know if laugh or cry , almost 30 yrs involved in this , Im still a Christian , I serve in my church , Ive learned more since I left the movement , I am happier more devoted Christian than when I was manipulated to go out soulwinning , bus driving ,Sunday school teaching etc. Baptists as a whole, are pretty terrible. The Bible is inspired and preserved by God and carries His absolute authority. The Lord is doing His work in ths world through local churches. Its pure manipulation. By the way Jason, if you think theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse, I feel sorry for you. To the author, I hope youll be okay someday and if you can find a way to dig out that root I think youll find peace. I dont know your past, but I know mine and it aint righteous. We believe that God forbids any attempt to alter one's God-given gender identity by any means, including surgery or appearance. New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist churches (also known as the New IFB) or officially the New Independent Fundamental Baptist Movement are an association of conservative, King James Only, independent Baptist churches. You can clap in church, we did that Mountain, the church I grew up though we didnt do it very often though. If you believe women shouldnt wear pants, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 12. If you believe that women are inferior to men and are to be submissive to their husbands, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. If you might confuse KJV with KJB its the same thing but its a preference on how people might want to call it. I forgave him before he changed. 12 But those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted. They are usually so full of themselves, because they went straight from salvation to knowledge, and Peter says to add to your faith virtue, and THEN go to knowledge, 2 Peter 1:5. Every child of God has equal access to their Heavenly Father. You tend to lump independent Baptist or independent religious organizations into one lump, sensing that they are all the same. Besides I dont understand why you shouldnt listen to Contemporary Christian music. First Works had previously been the site of protests by activists opposed to its anti-LGBTQ teachings, but police reported there was no evidence linking the protesters to the bombing. Im pretty sure it WAS/IS alcohol because the bible talks alot about not getting drunk with wine.also take a little wine, etc. Despite having overcome drug addiction, trouble controlling my drinking, and a whole lot of other issues, my church never told me to leave, never told me to come back when I was better, never scolded me. Ive read all the comments posted so far, but I dont fall into many of those categories as an IFB and Ive been an IFB for almost 13yrs now. If you look down on people who are divorce That is absolutely wrong. So, are you happy about that, or wanting to change? Besides saying that those who practice any of these that arent saved is wrong because that is judging. God Bless. Tattoos are the marks of the Devil I really dont know if they are marks of the devil but I do agree that tattoos are sinful even if its against the Old Testament. We had no money. Christ died for his sin already, so he had already been forgiven by God. The Bible is our sole and final authority for faith and practice. Section 1: General This is a sovereign and democratic independent fundamental Baptist church under the Lordship of Jesus Christ. 24. That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. It is awful that they put the rules and instructions of their mythology ahead of their love for The Bible talks about a CHEERFUL GIVER. If a person gets right with God, then they will usually give, not because they have to, rather because they want to give. Everything is about Him, He is a jealous God. Do I believe he punishes no, because Ive gone without tithing and had no awareness of punishment, but when I do tithe I find blessing of increase in physical and spiritual goods. If this life of inner peace is what I can have without feeling the need to write long lists then Ill take it. God knows the names of his children and for anyone to accuse another of security in Christ is hypocrisy. 21 And when you swear by the Temple, you are swearing by it and by God, who lives in it. Looks like youve forgotten to include haircuts (length and style of hair). If you pray using the KJV language I dont pray like that except when I recite the Lords Prayer because nobody talks like that anymore. You are quick to throw in a jab about how much you dislike them, but cannot tolerate anyone saying different. We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ was raised bodily and that He ascended to Heaven and is now exalted at the right hand of God, where, as our High Priest, He fulfills the ministry of Representative, Intercessor, and Advocate (Acts 1:9-10; Hebrews 9:24, 7:25; Romans 8:34; I John 2:1-2). When you finally get the blinders off let me know, we will rejoice with you. What is the Baptist Church, and what do Baptists believe? The members were so sweet to us. Some of these doctrines are as listed. I think I find it more funny how you all think it IS funny and Im just over here secretly judging your jeans ;b, But, all teasing aside, the author and other commentators sound very bitter. Gospel Light Baptist Church, Albany, Georgia. There are some things that the IFB does very well, such as fellowship. We believe that the sign gifts of the Holy Spirit, such as speaking in tongues and the gift of healing, were temporary. However, the churches are united by a number of doctrines. Praise the lord God made salvation a gift, or I probably wouldnt have received it. The truth is, if you had sex with ANY woman before you finally decided to marry one of them, you are a divorced man. We should not tell who are the good and bad Christians because we should treat everyone with love just like God loves every one of us. to show me the folly of my performance-based religion. Any ways God is good and can use any church to reach anyone it all depends on if you as an individual will receive his free gift of salvation, because God is that powerful. I am pretty conservative, but find some of this stuff outright ridiculous! Im glad they didnt because Id probably be ashamed admitting Im a liar. 16 Blind guides! Fannin was later ejected as the lead preacher of SBC-Jax. According to the ADL "Anti-LGBTQ bigotry and antisemitism are fundamental to New IFB ideology, as demonstrated by the doctrinal statements on their websites and the content of their sermons. Independent Fundamental Baptist or Bible-Believing Baptist) are a particularly cranky fundamentalist branch of unaffiliated No official opinion on this though as I said we should discipline our children the same way God disciplines us Smoking in itself is not sin but I do agree that smoking can cause teeth decay, lung cancer, breast cancer, etc. If you think that tattoos are marks of the Devil, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 20. 5 Hypocrite! Many on here were saved at a IFB church. 32. We believe that the Scriptures are inerrant, infallible, and God-breathed. I do agree that any time when you have health issues its because of sin which is why God allows pain and suffering. JUDAH. Hes a different man today thanks to Gods grace in our life. You are falling right in line with what they want someone who will robotically obey them. There are a lot of IFB pastors out there like that, the majority of the ones I sat under were like that, they just want to see you do better. Plus they believe that one cannot lose his salvation, Eternal Security, or Once Saved, Always Saved on the Calvinist view. This is because primarily I am a Bible Believer and if church doctrine of any individual church does not line with scripture, then this so called doctrine is nothing more than a vain tradition. Ive never been instructed their acting Rebellious or looked down on or had any concern for myself but they were rebellious. If your eyes quickly scan down to see if a fellow female church member is wearing the acceptable skirt, dress or koulotts outside of church, and Heaven forbid shes wearing capris or pants!! [2] They are described by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) as "a loose network of independent churches concentrated in the U.S. connected by their belief in certain religious doctrines and a shared brand of deeply anti-LGBTQ and antisemitic teachings." They simply do not know and probably lack the ability to do the research, but Cyril I. Scofield was a Confederate soldier who left his wife and two children and later remarried another woman. We reject any teaching that abortions of pregnancies due to rape, incest, birth defects, gender selection, birth or population control, or the mental well-being of the mother are acceptable. (Acts 2:41-47; 1 Corinthians 12:12,18; 2 Corinthians 6:14; Hebrews 10:23-25), Scripture mandates two offices for the local church: Pastor and Deacon. I didnt really say you can get drunk on grape juice but if I did, I might be a little confused. Yes, because he wants to spend a little time with his child. All rights reserved. Anderson, Fannin and Shelley traded accusations of financial wrongdoing and running a cult. Im not responsible for how its perceived. My pastor has never taught that man can forgive sins. If we must consider these points as a point for consideration, these ought to be a source form the Bible. Im truly sorry for those who were mistreated and sorry if bitterness is hurting you now. If you consider it worldly and almost frightening if someone brings a different version of the Bible to church, and wonder what your Pastor would say if he knew, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I dont agree with the term, sowing discord with the brethren because I agree everything what the Bible teaches. Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 8 These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. What a stupid thing to say. Im convinced that its much much deeper than rejecting real truth .. many many come back in southern Baptist churches, but not ifb churches.. what say u. We will never attain that on this side. If you think that the other translations are too wordly that right there I dont like. 6 And they love to sit at the head table at banquets and in the seats of honor in the synagogues. If your church allows no outside group of singers to perform at your church for fear that not all of their individual theologies line up with the churchs you might be an independent fundamental Baptist. He says he isnt saved but is open minded and is at least asking questions. [6] Adam Fannin, the lead preacher at SBC's Jacksonville satellite campus, refused to acknowledge the authority of Jonathan Shelley, another Texas New IFB pastor who took over SBCFort Worth following Romero's resignation. 53. It uses the Bible to treat everything from porn addiction WebHeartland Baptist Bible College is unique. Thanks. (2 Timothy 2:15), We believe the first day of the week is the Lords Day. If the devil is going to attack, he will attack the family and the church first. What an extensive list. LOL. Tithing is also commanded in the bible and we are to give because he loves us and give with a joyful heart. "[3], The New IFB was formed by Anderson and other Baptist pastors in 2017 in an attempt to revive what they perceived older independent Baptist churches once represented. If you run into a church member at the grocery store and see that they have a bottle of wine or maybe a 6-pack of beer in their cart and you struggle over whether you should share this information with your pastor, you might be and independent fundamental Baptist! Great job adding a bit of levity! I go to an IFB church and thought a few of your statements could be funny if in the right spirit, some not so much and others I found untrue altogether. 13 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. I dont believe some of the Catholic doctrine is true, but all have belief in things they believe and unbelief in things they dont believe. I dont post this to to attack you, nor defend Dave, rather to simply point out that perhaps both are not setting the best of examples? I thought youd like that. If the IFB churches are hurting the cause of Christ, would your attitude and example also hurt His cause. The Bible terms pastor, elder, and bishop refer to different responsibilities for the same office. 8. (Matthew 28:19-20; Romans 6:4; 1 Corinthians 11:23-32), Every individual, believer and unbeliever, possesses the God-given privilege of free will having the liberty to choose what to believe. Im open to discussions what Im not open to is people telling me what God wants me to do with my time and resources. I want no part of it except to expose it for what it is cultish. 31. He is the Head of the church. Pastor preaches against smoking because it is bad for the body My preacher never preaches that though there are very few people at my current church that smoke. God works in mysterious ways. You would probably also classify the God of the Old Testament as abusive. We believe that the strict, literal interpretation of the Bible makes us Baptists. WebThe Road to Emmaus Baptist Church is an independent Baptist church in Monaca, Pennsylvania. This is the first and great commandment. Reading any other version outside of the King James Version is sin same concern as I mentioned topic 1 On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. The independent fundamentalist Baptist movement emerged sometime in the 1940s as an attempt to continue the legacy of the fundamentalist movement of the If you compromise too much with the world, satan gets in and anything can happen thats why the word says to stay vigilant. This is very good. or any combination of the above isnt really saved because of that/those behavior(s), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 52. And as the word independent implies, we are not all alike. The explosion caused property damage but no injuries or deaths. Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? 37. The last pastor I had, at Mountain, would yell sometimes on his sermons to make sense of humor since most of his sermons were pretty funny but never pounded the pulpit. You obviously didnt read the entire list see number 47. We believe in one Triune God, eternally existing in three personsFather, Son, and Holy Spirit, co-eternal in being, co-identical in nature, co-equal in power and glory, and having the same attributes and perfections (Deuteronomy 6:4; II Corinthians 13:14).
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