Think You Saw A Mountain Lion in N.H.? - New Hampshire Public Radio Our guests today Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in. Sunny today high temperatures low to mid 80s it'll be clear tonight overnight lows in the 50s for tomorrow sunshine with high temperatures mid to upper 80s. So that did it for me. Rick van de Poll: Oh yeah absolutely. N.H. Sam Evans-Brown: And second the evidence required is is you know pretty pretty tough to gather. Early in the morning. So try to take photographs if you see something like this. If it's just in the middle of a greenfield you can't prove anything. 44-H Links. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. Lions Clubs Int'l Links: LionNet NH Links 2011 -2012 . Caller: Oh hi. Mike Guyton pressure was almost Greyhound like very muscular large back legs on it and the coloration on it was almost an orange brownish orange color and so I stop and I look at this thing in the field and as the animal looks at me the face was very chiseled definitely not a bobcat. And it's not really strong. For all the men out there that don't realize it. We'd be inundated with scouts in the past when newspaper articles have been written about DNA and scouts. Rick van de Poll: Absolutely. WMUR NH Chronicle Mountain Lions in NH Part I and Part II. Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Part II Peter Biello: Oh okay. It was really muscular looking cat I mean is that like a side angle to me. In my New Hampshire career I have written several, and seen at least 20, stories along the lines of "local person thinks they saw a mountain lion but there's no actual evidence aside from. The views expressed in this program are those of the individuals and not those of an HP are its board of trustees or its underwriters. The book MAMMAL TRACKS & SIGN by Mark Elbroch has pictures of mountain lion scat found at a multiple beaver kill. Good morning guys. So maybe a good pet for you but not for your neighbor if you just stop by unannounced. Peter Biello: Let's go to Mike in Epping. Thank you. I hope she's listening and she had spoke to a lot of different people ended up having a couple of sightings of her alone without sort of by accident. And to anyone listening I would just say you know fishing game who wants proof right. for some excitement. So Michael follows with the question. Really appreciate it. John Holt's ideas were at first dismissed but he refused to be silent. How to Report a Possible Mountain Lion Sighting. I had a resident in New Hampshire tell me a story of a mountain lion in the 1960s where a person who would come summer in New Hampshire and then live in a different part of the country in the winter had a trailer that was housing his mount line. Peter Biello: Sam I wanted to ask you a little bit about that first and then turn to Patrick Tate efficient game. Are there Mountain Lions in NH? Let's talk to Mike in Webster. Caller: Oh yeah. Get your tickets today and one for fifty dollars or six for 150 at NH PR and board. Wed love to be part of the first verified sighting. Mountain lions live in the state. Despite numerous reports, the NH Fish and Game Department continues to have no physical evidence of mountain lion presence in the state. Give today. Here it is. Peter Biello: Thank you for sharing that. The big cat has been extinct at least the eastern mountain lion has been extinct here since the mid 80s hundreds. Thank you. A lot of times. It was not a bobcat. He told me that on one of his many scouting trips for Black Bear he found a deer carcass up in a tree. I can't tell you what you saw but it sounds like a mountain lion. And Rick Van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England. But also I think it proves the opposite point which is that sometimes they're pretty secretive because all the way from Minnesota where the where was the first time was picked up on a game camera to New York. Tonight, Sean McDonald investigates,. Mark Elbroch doesnt think so. Sam what's the incentive for the government to deny allegedly. So I did a bunch of research and all the documentation I found was there art are not any pieces of DNA of Eastern online. We mentioned that one cat that was hit by a car where it has it that it was a male looking for me. And those are not the same things. Caller: It had to be a mountain lion convinced I was about 30. I mean I that said I've lived out west for nine years. Many people in New Hampshire have claimed to have seen mountain lions. New Hampshire Fish and Game Department says there's no proof. Patrick Tate: So I just got to throw a little interesting side note in this. He studied Politics and Spanish at Bates College, and before reporting was variously employed as a Spanish teacher, farmer, bicycle mechanic, ski coach, research assistant, a wilderness trip leader and a technical supporter. Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? 1,470 likes. A monthly donation of $5 makes a real difference. It was some sort of a Lion Mountain Lion animal. Anyways after three weeks I finally found the image on line on a field and stream photo contest and the explanation in the end was the person that set the camera out with another individual and they believed that someone who knew of the camera location saw the similarities put the can't picture on their SD card so it looked like that camera recorded the image that is. Just. We did a short segment about mountain lion sightings earlier this year and and after which I was sent a photo and also a video recording that was mostly just audio because it was so dark the photo just a quick reverse Google image search you can put images online and see where else where else they've been posted revealed that the photo had been taking out taken out in Wyoming and has been used you know hundreds of times to claim and the person who sent it to me said it had been taken New Hampshire. Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Part II - WMUR N.H. Residents Report Mountain Lion Sighting - NECN Tell us your story. If you believe you have seen a mountain lion and want to report it to NH Fish and Game, please contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or wildlife@wildlife.nh.gov to request an observation report form. Absolutely. Can you tell us about that story. I think as Pat was saying you know 35 to 50 pounds on a male be reasonable range whereas mountain lions you're up to 100 110 maybe even 130 pounds on a big male. Peter Biello: Nice to be here. Your support makes this news available to everyone. Sam Evans-Brown: Well first I want to sort of explain why what the theory is but then also throw a bit of cold water on it because I don't think there's much much logic behind it but essentially is that if fish and game were to acknowledge that there was a population of Mount lions in the state there's a chance that something like a listing under the federal Endangered Species Act might happen and then there'd be you know some they'd have to put a plan in place to protect the species there'd be you know restrictions put on development. Mountain Lion report and as a biologist for the state that's a situation where if he said to me what did I see. The big cat has been extinct here since the mid-1800s. But are there mountain lions living in New Hampshire? Peter Biello: So let's say Rick that it was confirmed that there that there are mountain lines here in New Hampshire. The current estimate is 2,000 - 2,700 throughout Arizona. When they were landing or taking off and it seems like it's been there for like. So one thing I'll add. Author of The last woman in the forest on Saturday July 13th at 7 p.m. at Warner town hall Warner historical dawg. I have no doubt that there are mountain lion roaming New Hampshire. Are these big cats back?Subscribe to WMUR on YouTube now for more: http://bit.ly/1lOjX9CGet more Manchester news: http://wmur.comLike us: http://facebook.com. Sam Evans-Brown has been working for New Hampshire Public Radio since 2010, when he began as a freelancer. Seems reasonable! We we hear that there is allegedly a government conspiracy to deny the existence of mountain lions here in New Hampshire so I guess a local government conspiracy. Peter Biello: This is NHK PR Good morning and HP are summer car raffle is back and now's the time to get your early bird tickets. Patrick Tate: So I'm not sure what subspecies of cat they're using to differentiate by those markings but once she was describing the White other face in the black. Patrick Tate: Martin Like what about Panther Panther saying animals same animal and like a bit of trivia Guinness Book of World Records says the animal with the most names is in English alone they're supposedly 40 names for Mount lion. Well let's talk a little bit about that. Part II. But having read a bit of information about his cougar there are a darker subspecies. Caller: Absolutely. So you know until I found those two scats I didn't think that mountain lions were here in the east. Mountain Lions | Wildlife | New Hampshire Fish and Game Department Long before NASA was asked to put a man on the moon one engineer had already figured out how to get there. Thanks very much. I would just suggest that in my experience as a reporter covering this covering this issue for a few years at least at what point do we reach a certain critical mass for lack of a better term of accounts where I'm not to suggest that you guys aren't taking this possibility seriously. Chapter X, Predators, Panther (Mountain Lion) From History of NH Game and Furbearers by Helenette Silver, Research Clerk, NH Fish and Game Dept. Or years or so. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. David Erler says some of them probably have. Almost all species disperse greater distances than females. As I tried to get a picture of it so there was it was definitely we looked up all the pictures and it was definitely not a bobcat or anything else being it looked just like a mountain lion. I found a second scat scent both to him. Let us know your story and share your photos! Yeah 13 to 15 years ago 13 to 15 years ago. So so they're just a very resilient species and they're pretty they're pretty neat. Patrick Tate: My line being a large predator a cat watch ambush his prey animal that hasn't been. Do you get a lot of these these these things that end up being hoaxes. So I will just say this is a big reason why there have not been confirmed sightings I think is that the evidence required first. Mike thanks for your call. However, dispersing western mountain lions have left evidence as close as Connecticut, Massachusetts and New York. Windham Life and Times - November 15, 2019 Just one quick point I think I think when we we talk about these conspiracy theories the real story is that fish and game is an agency that that is short on budget and staff. We'll hear from her periodically through the show. The panther, Fells concolor, is a beast of many names, most frequently referred to in New Hampshire history as catamount, but sometimes known locally as "Indian Devil" or "Carcajou", under which . JavaScript must be enabled for some features to display properly. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. New Hampshire Public Radio | For me as a person who's handled many bobcats and looked at many pictures Bobcat the White chin Bobcat right off is what comes out to me and then the black the the roughs on our Bobcats we'll have sometimes have black fringes on them. Peter Biello: Wow. Peter Biello: From New Hampshire Public Radio I'm Peter Biello in for Lark Knoy and this is the exchange. Rick van de Poll: Well a report that you know as John Harrigan up north has in co-ops County for about 15 years I kept track of reports and people would call me and tell me where they saw the mountain lion they thought they saw it and it varied right from you know downtown villages all the way to remote highlands of the North Country and and everywhere in between. And the second question is this a behavior mountain lions exhibit. Some of the reports that I looked into that were actually on file at the local fish and game office were even from people who did not live locally. Patrick Tate: If I could just say one thing. Patrick Tate: Exactly I was gonna bring that up juvenile male of. So for me as a person who's had the Bobcats right off my grits similar carries sticks to a bobcat The Long Tail obviously very different but those facial markings were overlapping for me. They were able to do all that by genetics. John. And when provoked no animal could stand before him elegantly put. But if you were to get Western dispersing mountain lions just would just sort of expanding into New Hampshire. Less than a year later I found a scat on the swamp range and I was working at the time with a fellow at the Michigan wildlife habitat Federation. So. Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests - AP NEWS Peter Biello: Let's talk to Ron and where Ron thanks very much for calling. And I I have this great text history of New Hampshire game and fir bears and I think by Helen Silver who used to work for fish and game and she sort of I kind eyes this animal in one of the quotes from 1892 stating that the catamaran was the most ferocious of all the wild beasts of New Hampshire his great size strength and agility of movement together with his formidable weapons rendered him the terror both of man and beast. There have been several sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. Updated: 9:53 AM EST Dec 6, 2016. John thanks. Listeners we'd love to hear some of your thoughts on this. Patrick Tate: Yes. So what those ranges. John is calling from Bennington. Mountain Lions in New England: Sightings, Science & Bobcat vs Mountain Lion Support for an age PR comes from you our listeners. Sam Evans-Brown: And when we talk about subspecies this actually leads to to an interesting tangent which is that the field of biology recently has been sort of revolutionized by the use of DNA to determine what subspecies are. Right. He said matter of fact I do. Do they travel. Rick van de Poll: Yes. People go through great lengths to create hoaxes like this. Thanks for taking my call. So there is definitely no downward pressure by anyone. And it came out we could see it had and we could see its long swooping tail. N.H.'s Fish and Game department says there's no proof.